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Both RL stages are needed: removing DPO and GRPO training causes the largest performance drop in student simulation

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Evidence · 1 study · causal r2 · q2
Currency · newest study 2026 · not yet checked against its sources · not reviewed by a person · recheck by 2029: tool and model accuracy changes quickly

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q2 i? Removing both DPO for the simulator and GRPO for the profile generator decreases Acts from 0.605 to 0.589, Corr. from 0.466 to 0.436, and Errors from 0.150 to 0.115. → Zhangqi Duan 2026 q2 i? History SFT, which removes all three components of the method, performs poorly, and prompting-only use of the profile performs worst. → Zhangqi Duan 2026

Evidence

Zhangqi Duan 2026

Zhangqi Duan, Shuyan Huang, Alexander Scarlatos, Jaewook Lee, Simon Woodhead, Andrew Lan. (2026). Who Am I? History-Aware Profiles for Student Simulation in Tutoring Dialogues. arXiv preprint. https://arxiv.org/abs/2605.30051 doi:10.48550/arxiv.2605.30051

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Ablation study on one data split (Table 2) varying training stages and profile inputs. The article concludes "SFT alone is not sufficient for faithful student simulation" and that the two optimization stages are complementary.

"Removing both DPO for dialogue simulator training and GRPO for profile generator training leads to the largest drop in performance, decreasing Acts from 0.605 to 0.589, Corr. from 0.466 to 0.436, and Errors from 0.150 to 0.115."

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type claim
id rl-stages-needed-faithful-student-simulation
title Both RL stages are needed: removing DPO and GRPO training causes the largest performance drop in student simulation
description Both RL stages are needed: removing DPO and GRPO training causes the largest performance drop in student simulation
status review
evidence_strength moderate
newest_evidence 2026
recheck_by 2029
generated by process:wiki-ingest on 2026-10-10
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